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1 Return-Path: <operator@bitminter.com> 2 Received: from smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (smtp1.linux-foundation.org 3 [172.17.192.35]) 4 by mail.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 9B628305 5 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; 6 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:49:09 +0000 (UTC) 7 X-Greylist: from auto-whitelisted by SQLgrey-1.7.6 8 Received: from outpost.bitwarp.com (outpost.bitwarp.com [144.76.39.233]) 9 by smtp1.linuxfoundation.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 6955B1EF 10 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; 11 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:49:08 +0000 (UTC) 12 Received: from 1x-193-157-199-88.uio.no (localhost [IPv6:::1]) 13 by xr4.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 4C67A202159 14 for <bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org>; 15 Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:49:06 +0000 (UTC) 16 Message-ID: <55D1F471.8060802@bitminter.com> 17 Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 16:49:21 +0200 18 From: BitMinter operator <operator@bitminter.com> 19 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; Intel Mac OS X 10.10; 20 rv:31.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/31.7.0 21 MIME-Version: 1.0 22 To: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org 23 References: <CABsx9T16fH+56isq95m4+QWsKwP==tf75ep8ghnEcBoV4OtZJA@mail.gmail.com> <1679272.aDpruqxXDP@coldstorage> <CABm2gDr98G1K1F7YapCQbKtQ2YEsW8FrYVnFtk+M2Hfvy4WgfQ@mail.gmail.com> <1963286.x5NhlJ5RfS@pluto> 24 <CABm2gDqhoDrQAVAE4oedHEK2s_iYwPAADVZVj2zb940eG2hGBQ@mail.gmail.com> 25 In-Reply-To: <CABm2gDqhoDrQAVAE4oedHEK2s_iYwPAADVZVj2zb940eG2hGBQ@mail.gmail.com> 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 27 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit 28 X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=ham 29 version=3.3.1 30 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on 31 smtp1.linux-foundation.org 32 Subject: Re: [bitcoin-dev] Fees and the block-finding process 33 X-BeenThere: bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org 34 X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.12 35 Precedence: list 36 List-Id: Bitcoin Development Discussion <bitcoin-dev.lists.linuxfoundation.org> 37 List-Unsubscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/options/bitcoin-dev>, 38 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=unsubscribe> 39 List-Archive: <http://lists.linuxfoundation.org/pipermail/bitcoin-dev/> 40 List-Post: <mailto:bitcoin-dev@lists.linuxfoundation.org> 41 List-Help: <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=help> 42 List-Subscribe: <https://lists.linuxfoundation.org/mailman/listinfo/bitcoin-dev>, 43 <mailto:bitcoin-dev-request@lists.linuxfoundation.org?subject=subscribe> 44 X-List-Received-Date: Mon, 17 Aug 2015 14:49:09 -0000 45 46 On 12.08.15 11.45, Jorge Timón via bitcoin-dev wrote: 47 > 1) Potential indirect consequence of rising fees. 48 > 2) Software problem independent of a concrete block size that needs to 49 > be solved anyway, often specific to Bitcoin Core (ie other 50 > implementations, say libbitcoin may not necessarily share these 51 > problems). 52 53 I don't think rising fees is the issue. 54 55 Imagine that the government is worried because air lines are selling 56 tickets cheaply and may run themselves out of business. So their 57 solution is passing a new law that says only one commercial air plane is 58 allowed to be in the air at any given time. 59 60 This should help a ticket market to develop and prevent air lines from 61 giving away almost free tickets. In this way the government can protect 62 the air lines from themselves. 63 64 I would not classify all issues that would come out of this as 65 "potential indirect consequences of rising ticket prices." 66 67 It would just make air travel unusable. 68 69 That's the problem we may face in the short term. 70 71 It would be unwise to go all-in on a solution that doesn't exist yet, 72 which may or may not arrive in time, and may or may not do the job that 73 is needed. We need to use the solution we already have so that we can 74 get by in the short term. 75 76 I don't think mining pools will immediately make blocks as big as 77 possible if the hard limit is raised. Remember that mining pools had to 78 be coaxed into increasing their block size. Mining pools were making 79 small blocks to reduce the rate of orphaned blocks. Block propagation is 80 faster today, but this issue still exists. You need a lot of transaction 81 fees to make up for the danger of losing 25 BTC. Many pools don't even 82 pay out transaction fee income to their miners. 83 84 -- 85 Regards, 86 Geir H. Hansen, Bitminter mining pool 87 88